As scary as their acts were [and believe me, random shootings scare the crap out of me!], I think we might want to know their motivation first. And determine whether they were shooting to kill or not. It is entirely possible that those of you here who are calling for them to be executed are more anxious to kill someone than these two boys were. Would not getting to the bottom of their motivation not help us understand and possibly prevent similar acts in the future?
And, Gloria, I am from Wise, born and raised.
I am so thankful no one has been seriously injured - sure brings back the bad memories of the snipers here in MD. I hope he gets the max. whatever that is and I know VA can be tough unlike our whimpy PGC.
I'm a white redneck, gun-owning, pick-up truck driving male from far Southwest Virginia. I don't fear any particular class of people or race or creed or demographic. However, I do fear those individuals who would try to persuade the rest of us that one group or another is to be feared. I merely said that, statistically speaking, it was more likely to be bored American teen boys than Jihadists. And I was right as far as we know at this time.
And, for the record, I have a daughter, which I guess means I am suspicious of EVERY teen-aged boy alive. And I often breathe through my mouth.
ChrisFrenzy wrote: ""You and I both jumped to conclusions.You from the perspective of an irrational fear of Islam. Me from the perspective of evidence and reason. ""
Thanks for the laugh Chris,
However, the only irrational fear I see here is you fear of white Southern males. You know absolutely nothing about the person who has been arrested, nothing about his background, or even his ethnicity really. You only have his name and residence at this point. In fact, this person has not yet even been charged with any crime, let alone been convicted. Yet you jump to conclusions about him based on your irrational perceptions, perceptions based on almost no information whatsoever, only bigotry against rural white southerners. You smear all southern rural whites as "mouth breathing rednecks" Frankly, You really have put on an impressive display of bigotry here. Southern whites are the last group people like you feel comfortable stereotyping apparently, in public anyway.
I only speculated that the shooter might have been one of the known Islamic Jihadi supporters based at the compound in Red House Virginia. Speculation that was based only on their proximity to that section of I-64. Nothing more. Hardly irrational.
Your jumping to conclusions includes your speculation about me as well. You know nothing about me at all, or of my attitudes towards Islam. You imagine I must have an irrational fear of Islam since you imagine I am, in your words, a Virginia redneck. In fact, I'm from Rhode Island, I have Muslim friends at present, and have had many others over the years. Muslims from all over the Islamic world.
I'm glad that the shooter is apparently apprehended. Prayers for the victims as always.
Thank heavens for hard-working police and brain-dead perps!
LAX shooting: "The FBI concluded this was terrorism, although they found no evidence linking Hadayet to any terrorist group." This sounds like a hate crime to me.
Beltway Sniper: "No motivation was given at the trial, but evidence presented showed an affinity to the cause of the Islamic Jihad." This sounds like a lunatic to me, much like the lunatics who kill loved ones and then confess that "God told them to do it."
And don't forget another Jewish Daycare shooting, in Seattle: "The shooter, Buford Furrow Jr., was an ex-convict on probation in Washington state. The avowed white supremacist had been released from prison three months before the attack." Sounds like a redneck to me.
The lone gunman is simply not standard MO for a fanatical Muslim terrorist, at least not at this point. You and I both jumped to conclusions. You from the perspective of an irrational fear of Islam. Me from the perspective of evidence and reason. I was right [as far as we know]. I stand by my assertion that the perp in this case was most likely one or more white males with easy access to guns. And as for living memory, I still can't find any evidence of a Jihadist movement using gun violence in Virginia.
Unreasoned fear-mongering is the real enemy here. Not a Jihad. Not even rednecks, of which I am one. When fear and a lack of understanding is your informant, justice is always the victim.
Actually there have been many. Muslim Jihadists have shot up the El Al counter at LAX for one example, a Jewish day care center for another, and shooting into a Jewish day schools van on one of the NYC bridges. And we have our own experience with the Malvo-Muhammed murder spree. Both were members of Louis Farrakans Nation of Islam cult.
As for the supposed "rash" of mouth breathing redneck snipers shooting up our Interstates, there hasn't been anything like that. Most shootings are as a result of road rage incidents that occur in urban areas, and involve all ethnic groups.
Don't let this one isolated incident in Vriginia go to your head. It's the first such incident in living memory.
This is the reason i do not condone possession of concealed weapons of any sort and the gun ban in DC. There is a new reason for me each week.
Lets give plenty of kudos to the Virginia State Police for their quick work in solving these crimes.
Meanwhile, ditto on the great police work!
Nor can you point to a single Jihadist incident on American soil involving a gun. And actually, there are plenty of cases of gun-toting mouth-breathers firing potshots at cars on highways across America. Just Google "highway snipers" and see what comes up. Ohio, California, West Virginia and Indiana for starters. All of them are white males with mental problems. All of them random. Same with every mass school shooting in America, with the exception of Virginia Tech. But even there it was a messed up non-Jihadist with easy access to guns. And while the Beltway Snipers were not white, and John Allen Muhammad belonged to the Nation of Islam, they were not Islamic terrorists but merely criminally insane.
And while I won't argue the difference between "Jihadist", "Militant Islamist", and "terrorist," I will point out that terrorists seldom commit acts of violence without a larger purpose. Typically they are not paranoid schizophrenics, they are fanatics. This does not mean their acts are not heinous, just not random. However, when a mentally disturbed gunman goes on a spree, it's almost always random.
Terrorism is a very real concern on American soil and around the world, and not just the Muslim kind. Religious fanatics of every stripe offer dangerous and catastrophic solutions to perceived problems. Your immediate leap that "it's probably Muslims" is much less reasonable than my reminding you what the statistical likelihood is. If our first response to a random act of violence is to assume that Muslims did it, then the terrorists won a long time ago.
Of course, it is important for our various intelligence agencies to find, understand and stop those organizations that would mean harm to innocent Americans or any other innocent population in the world. But taking a random shooting and pouncing on the notion that it's Muslims in America is ill-informed, paranoid and completely unhelpful. Check yourself, before you wreck yourself.
""Jihadists don't do random. Redneck boys do. ""
You have it exactly backwards. Jihadist terrorists specialize in random acts of violence.
And as for "redneck boys" where do you get the idea that there is a rash of sniper shootings involving rural Virginians?? Can you point to a single instance? Didn't think so.
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